i know the truth is bitter but  in nigeria if a man decides to drive on the left side of the road claiming freedom of movement other road users who will be affected must talk and act as required.

firstly, i think it is important to challenge this notion of "current geopolitical regions" because through dint of repetition it is beginning to assume an unwarranted and unmerited status

there is no doubt that nigeria needs restructuring but restructuring of the east cannot occur in a vacuum.

it is clear that different regions are NOT equal either in terms of land mass or population. as such calls to elevate some parts above others will be challenged.

the facts are as i have stated

we came together as regions

north west and east

and these have been divided into states

any attempt to coalesce states into arbitrary and incongruous ZONES is mischievous and rejected

any negotiations must be mindful of [b]whence we came [/b]i.e regions.

the states that constituted these regions are easy to identify.

the old western region NOW has 7 states and 35 million people

the old eastern region   NOW has 9 states and 25 million people

the truth may be inconvenient but it MUST prevail

zone ko ozone layer ni

again explain to me what benin on the west of the niger is doing in the same ZONE with Ogoja on the camerounian border

PointB:

lol, neither did Nigeria come together on the basis of region. Regions were military creation!

aribisala0:

i suggest you delete this post before people see it

dayokanu:

Too late.

Thats why people need to educate themselves before coming on the web to embarrass themselves

I volunteer to scan and send a copy of the history book i used when i was in secondary school .It becomes funnier considering the fact that this same person jumps into threads with either subtly divisive comments or outright bigotry,most of the time using 'historical' event as his/her flipping reason.
Ojo miloju! :

i implore Point B to

1 apologise for that statement and
2. delete it before even more passers-by, eye witnesses,onlookers, area boys come and see it

the ibo people dont know what they want, 2 more states for what

@namfav - wetin u dey smoke? Gum or gbana. Hmm?

nku5:

@namfav - wetin u dey smoke? Gum or gbana. Hmm?

U dey mind the guy. What do you expect from an aboki?

Regions, creations of the military?

lol

^^^^

I laugh too. I can't imagine I am that funny.

nku5:

@namfav - wetin u dey smoke? Gum or gbana. Hmm?

answer the question

PointB,
Population of Old West can't 10 million more than Old East when there are millions of minority groups and one large majority there as well. Where did u get that figure?

^^^^
Not my figure ooo. It's aribisala0 quoting a nebulous census figure to drive home his bigotry o. I have nothing to do with that fictitious figure.

population has nothing to do with ethnicity it is about inhabitants

and that figure is the 2006 national census figure which has now been signed into law in nigeria, if you don;t agree with it you can approach the tribunal for example according to the figure i quoted lagos is 9 million . the state government disagreed and have gone to the tribunal but for now it stands,

those 8 states are 10 million more than the 9 in the east

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

i have not made it up and so far i have not disrespected anyone


let us continue to respect ourselves and avoid name calling

Old Western region 8 States Population of 34.8m

Old Eastern Region 9 States Population of 30m

Tell me which region deserves another State

PointB:

^^^^
Not my figure ooo. It's aribisala0 quoting a nebulous census figure to drive home his bigotry o. I have nothing to do with that fictitious figure.

without sentiment, he is actually right

http://www.statoids.com/ung.html

also even around the 60s when the census was done before the war, the west had ALWAYS been more populated than the east.

dayokanu:

Old Western region 8 States Population of 34.8m

Old Eastern Region 9 States Population of 30m

Tell me which region deserves another State

Igboland alone has 30+million people. Ijaws have 15m, Ibibios have 5m, Efiks have 3m, others in the East have 2m total of the old Eastern Region is 55 million. Eastern Nigeria is the most populated Region in the federation.

dayokanu:

Old Western region 8 States Population of 34.8m

Old Eastern Region 9 States Population of 30m

Tell me which region deserves another State

Youre numbers make no sense at all. According to this, you're telling me the Old Northern Region has 100 million people ?

no one said so

you tell us whence you conjured 100 million from

the link where those figures come from has been given several times .

why not do a little research yourself

odumchi:

Igboland alone has 30+million people. Ijaws have 15m, Ibibios have 5m, Efiks have 3m, others in the East have 2m total of the old Eastern Region is 55 million. Eastern Nigeria is the most populated Region in the federation.

so far no one has said anything about ethnicity with regards to those figures. all we have said is how many people live where. no one knows whether they are efik or ijaw

you just come here and make some claims which makes one wonder really. where do you get all that from .

did you climb mount sinai and come down with two tablets of stone??

It's common added with the Internet. Igbos living in Igboland (excluding those outside of Igboland) are in excess of 30 million. Ijaws are 10% of Nigeria hence they are 15 million, Ibibios are around 4% so they are +-5 million, Efiks are around 3 million and other minorities are 2m. All of these groups are in the old Eastern Region and their numbers are substantial.

Also according to this 1953 UN census if Nigeria (which is the only widely accepted census of Nigeria),

Hausas were 5,548,542 17.81%
Fulani 3,040,736 9.76 %
Igbos 5,483,660 17.60 %
Yorubas 5,046,799 16.2 %
Ibibios 766,764 2.5%

Making the West 20.4% of Nigeria
And the East 25.6% of Nigeria.

[url]http://www.afrimap.org/english/images/documents/UNRISD%20Nigeria%20Mustapha.pdf
[/url]

did you ever go to school
nobody is talking about population of igbos , can you give that igbos are 90% of nigeria yarn a rest.

^^
Im not concerned mainly about the population of the Igbos. What I'm concerned about is your claim that the West has more people than the East, and therefore deserves more states. It doesn't work that way.

aribisala0:

population has nothing to do with ethnicity it is about inhabitants

and that figure is the 2006 national census figure which has now been signed into law in nigeria, if you don;t agree with it you can approach the tribunal for example according to the figure i quoted lagos is 9 million . the state government disagreed and have gone to the tribunal but for now it stands,

those 8 states are 10 million more than the 9 in the east

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

i have not made it up and so far i have not disrespected anyone


let us continue to respect ourselves and avoid name calling

it is not MY claim,

that is the result of the census in 2006 that has been ratified into law in nigeria.
it did not record ethnicity

why bring in efik and ijaw and all that into it.

whether or not you agree with it .

it has been adopted and there were no major complaints outside those that are still at the tribunal.

anyway to be honest i really don't see you as someone i can have a rewarding discussion with and i really don't have time for polemic so i will not respond to you any more.

It's funny how you continue to rain down insults, parade your "Smarter than thou" attitude and then in the end say that you cannot hold a meaningful conversation with me.

I suppose every tiger knows how to sneak back into the bush and lick his wounds.

odumchi:

Youre numbers make no sense at all. According to this, you're telling me the Old Northern Region has 100 million people ?

Are you saying Nigeria has a population of 164m?

odumchi:

It's common added with the Internet. Igbos living in Igboland (excluding those outside of Igboland) are in excess of 30 million. Ijaws are 10% of Nigeria hence they are 15 million, Ibibios are around 4% so they are +-5 million, Efiks are around 3 million and other minorities are 2m. All of these groups are in the old Eastern Region and their numbers are substantial.

Also according to this 1953 UN census if Nigeria (which is the only widely accepted census of Nigeria),

Hausas were 5,548,542 17.81%
Fulani 3,040,736 9.76 %
Igbos 5,483,660 17.60 %
Yorubas 5,046,799 16.2 %
Ibibios 766,764 2.5%

Making the West 20.4% of Nigeria
And the East 25.6% of Nigeria.

[url]http://www.afrimap.org/english/images/documents/UNRISD%20Nigeria%20Mustapha.pdf
[/url]

those figures were not UN figures but figures conducted using estimations by each region by colonial masters and did not census because there was no counting of people in 1952/3

Please read the link again

". More recent censuses are particularly disputed. However, the last
colonial census in 1952/3 gives an indication of the size of 9 ethnic groups in the
population,"


"Centres of large population
concentrations coincide with the homelands of these three majority ethnic groups who
constituted 57.8% of the national population in the 1963 census [Afolayan, 1978; 147
& 155]. That census has the Hausa at 11,653,000 (20.9%), the Yoruba at 11,321,000
(20.3%), and the Igbo at 9,246,000 (16.6) [Jibril, 1991, 111]"

that is 1991.

with that said, you do not get the point of aribisala0

read his post again

he is not talking of ethnic population but the population of the regions and with the migration of people to the western region

alj_harem:

those figures were not UN figures but figures conducted using estimations by each region by colonial masters and did not census because there was no counting of people in 1952/3

Please read the link again

". More recent censuses are particularly disputed. However, the last
colonial census in 1952/3 gives an indication of the size of 9 ethnic groups in the
population,"


"Centres of large population
concentrations coincide with the homelands of these three majority ethnic groups who
constituted 57.8% of the national population in the 1963 census [Afolayan, 1978; 147
& 155]. That census has the Hausa at 11,653,000 (20.9%), the Yoruba at 11,321,000
(20.3%), and the Igbo at 9,246,000 (16.6) [Jibril, 1991, 111]"

that is 1991.

with that said, you do not get the point of aribisala0

read his post again

he is not talking of ethnic population but the population of the regions and with the migration of people to the western region

Lol. May God bless u Harem

The number of irresponsible posts that antagonized the demand for the creation of two additional states for South East geopolitical zone in Nigeria is one of the reasons I resolutely called for disintegration of Nigeria. I guess some of the essences of democracy are fairness, equity and justice.

In pursuance of practical democracy, Nigeria sublimely introduced geopolitical zones. Since the democracy is predicated on the game of numbers, the zones paradoxically must have equal number of states in order to produce equal number of senators since the vote in the upper chamber determines the faith of a bill. I shall even go further to demand equal number of geopolitical zone in northern and southern Nigeria. We must learn to balance the political acts in a tribally infused country such as Nigeria.

It is such idiotic style of polity or foolish display of utter bigotry or political inconsideration by certain nitwits who frowned at the demand of creation of more states in Nigeria so as to maintain a sense of equal political attainment lends courage to demand the cessation of federal republic of Nigeria.

The incessant political treachery executed in the acreage known as Nigeria since the amalgamation in 1914 induces agitation for disintegration of Nigeria. It does not appear Nigerians will ever get their political acts together. So it is adequate to call for total disintegration of Nigeria.

of course finger wagging and name calling are always a poor substitute for a reasoned argument though admittedly the resources required to produce the latter are less evenly distributed. thus we are constrained to comingle with rabble.

perhaps someone can tell us

WHEN nigeria "introduced" geopolitical ZONES

WHO was  involved

[b]WHERE [/b]did this occur

to the best of my knowledge this is a PDP concept . it is true that the PDP have ruled Nigeria since 1999 but that does not mean they will rule forever.

certainly if there are to be Geopolitical Zones in our National life there must have been some debate or other occurence outwith the PDP heralding this.

there is only ONE arewa consultative forum
only ONE Northern governors forum

in short ONE north

NOT three

No one has still been able to make a sensible argument in favour of State creation for an area with a smaller land size, Smaller population.

Whats the use of creating 7 states to serve a smaller percentage of the population when some states have 10-15m ppl cramped in them

well you know if words fail you can throw sticks and stones

Instead of making an argument based on needs, We are now appealing to emotions of You gave Mike 4 meats that means you must give me 4 meats

Not considering maybe Mike needs more proteins than me or has a health condition that needs attention